Our House Plans were last updated 7-4-08
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July 4!!!
2008
Oh how diligent our framing carpenter workers were to come bright and early on the fourth of July! They finished putting down the plywood floor all over the area to be rebuilt.

I decided that I'd have to sweep the glass shards away myself on the back side of the house where the ground slopes downward. It was really the worst there.. It was so easy with the special rake I purchased for that purpose. Wish I'd done that a long time ago. I'll do the southside next!

Something odd was that the bricks were missing from around the foundation  between the pool and my bedroom to be area. Senor Roberto Torres said he didn't know who removed them. There was sand under them. Lots of it. Looked odd.

Later Roberto called for me and informed me that he was going to build dthe overhang on the back side of the house 2 '. I said "No you are not." He insisted yes, and I insisted no. He said the 4' overhang was not drawn in on the approved copy and I pointed out neither was a 2' overhang... it was only 1' on the incorrect "approved" copy, but 4' on the interim most recent drawing which we'd discussed already was different and needed to be taken into consideration,. He said he would have to stop and take all his men and leave...and he had Alberto, Obrio (I forget, but it was one of his sons, Francisco and a total of 5 or 8 framers here to work all weekend. I said do what you have to do, but I wasn't interested in rebuilding half the overhang I had before.

Glenn called Jay, and Jay said he'd never discussed anything about a 4' overhang on the back (south) side of our house, just on the west side, and I reminded him he did and specifically we talked about the "overlooks" which I felt the architect might have to increase the size and/or otherwise alter... and he corrected me and said they were called "lookouts". Glenn was so upset he didn't want to talk with me until later I played the recorded conversation. Jay forgot I had recorded that conversation, because Glenn wanted to know what all we discuss when he's at work and that seems the most intelligent way to make sure I give him correct information.

Jay insisted we'd never discussed them in any case, and he told me that I was preventing the work from getting done with all _my "changes".  LOL... but speaking of changes, he did earlier repeatedly tell us that we could make changes to the inside areas and also any windows could be reconfigured at no extra charge as long as they took up the same size as the ones the engineer had written in for the wind load report.

In order to facilitate getting the project going asap we did agree on was that the frame of the house wouldn't change except we had to get rid of the cantelevered backside because we couldn't have the brick wall with that. I like the brick wall, and think it served a function, besides esthetics, so the 4" he described as us gaining seemed like a bad tradeoff and we nixed that to save our brick wall.

And these changes were to be finalized for the final drawing on Thursday at 5:30 but Jay called and said his mom needed him for some reason, so we tentatively planned for the next day at lunch, but then Glenn told me they decided to wait til Monday because what can the archect accomplsh over a 4th of July weekend?

After we hung up, I emailed him this below:

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Subject: 20080626Jayconversation.m4a (audio/mp4 Object)
Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2008 14:56:14 -0400
From: Mona Lisa Abbott
To: Jay White
Dear Jay,

Thanks for getting Aaron over here today to cover that gaping hole in
the portico roof system. Looks like he did an excellent job, and
apparently there was a roof flap that had been windblown back and was
leaving more of our roof open to the elements which he made sure to
cover too.

I was surprised today during our conversation ... when you said we
didn't discuss the 4' overhang on the back side of the house
heretofore.... You must be very busy, with so many projects you may have
forgotten our conversation on June 26...

I posted it as a quicktime recording, so I think your computer will be
able to play it. Its our conversation about the "lookouts" among other
things.

http://monalisaliveshere.com/sites/houseblog/20080626Jayconversation.m4a

Its unfortunate the framers couldn't work the whole weekend as we all
thought they would be doing. Too bad the architect didn't have the
outlooks drawn and specified. Too bad the engineer didn't get the
overhang numbers right...

Too bad a standard sliding glass door won't fit at Glenn's "study"
because the slope of the roof.

But what is good is excellent is your attitude that we can correct these
errors... Like art, quality building takes time.

As far as _my micromanaging things, I seem to get the impression you
thought I was stopping workers from doing their work, perhaps you can
remind me when I did _anything unreasonable that delayed any work.

I don't think these things were my fault (nor was I unreasonable in
asking for them to be done right) if any slowdown or stopping of work
occured.

During our initial cleanup ... Asking them not to be throwing away
my unseen burnt goods so I can't possible claim them on my insurance
list?

Yesterday ... Treating the fungus and mold which should never have
been allowed to be growing on the "study" floor joists because
someone had decided to take away the protective roof before we had a
definite date to reframe.

June... Asking that the rebar was up to code in the basement,.. the
code inspector said it was not a choice, it had to be up to code...

Today... Not settling for 2' overhangs which we had lengthy
conversation about being 4' with the architectural redraw at 4' of
what we discussed... because the framers didn't have sufficiently
drawn plans.

Did I forget anything?

We didn't hire the Paul Davis Restoration Company because we heard you
did shoddy work ... but you were fast. No, it was because we heard that
you do excellent work, are nice people and you can work with the
insurance company if necessary to make sure we get built back what we
are entitled to get back.

Thanks for your positive attitude.

Hope your having a nice holiday,
Mona
And then I hunted and hunted for any photos or videos showing the back of the house. How odd, but finally I found the original Home Inspection on video that my husband did and it clearly shows the overhang was no 2' overhang. It looks like it ws 4 or 5' just like I told him.

Glenn is still upset WITH ME, even though he says I'm right on this. He doesn't understand how two extra feet of overhang can make such a big difference in shade comfort and prevent water damage on the side of your house..

Thu
7-3-08
Today Robertos Crew, Alberto, Francisco and Omar spent the day putting up the final floor joists and then capped it with the new plywood. Arron came over in the morning and together we painted and sprayed the Bora-care I purchased yesterday on the fungus infected wood that was revealed when the plywood floor covering was removed from Glenn's Bedroom. Arron mixed the one gallon of concentrate with 3 gallons of water. Guess thats 3 to one which is what was recommended to remediate fungal infection,, but if it was for preention, we could have added 5 parts water to the one part Bora-care.

I asked Jay about who was coming over to fix the hole in the roof, and he said he'd send someone tomorrow... I said on a holiday? He said yes, they would be working on the holiday and Sat. and Sun. also.
Wed
7-2-08
Senior Roberto Torres insisted the floor would be ready to inspect by 4:30 pm, but the lumber was a few hours late so that couldn't happen. They removed the plywood covering Glenn's bedroom, and I was depressed to see it had black and white mold stuff on the top of the joists and a couple of the boards had fungus mycelium growing on one or another of the sides. I called Larry Cerro over for a fire consultation and he pointed out several details. The basement stairwell side foundation wall needed joist reconfiguration to balance the weight on the concrete blocks and take the pressure the brick veneer.

Wood had been left in place when Paul Price had made the basement door on both sides.

I went to the Lesco company where I purchased some Boracare to treat the fungus. Bora-Care will also treat for termite prevention.

Jay said he would cover the gaping hole on the portico roof tomorrow.
Tue
7-1-08

Mon
6-30-08

Sun
66-29-08




April & May 2008
Met with Glenn's chosen contractor... Jay White of Paul Davis Construction and then with Architect - got preliminary drawings to review and revise
Applied for permit which was rejected due to cantelevered design... Still waiting to find out whats the new plan?
June 2
Monday or Tues? Roberto brought a couple of guys by to remove old concrete blocks, the old joists, and generally prepare for the new.
June 3
Tuesday
 Tues or Wed, Roberto came by and worked some more. He saved the old joists for me, and laid them at the far West side of our yard. Thanks Roberto!!!
June 4
Wednesday
Wednesday
June 5
Thursday -

Met with Jay White Thursday to discuss progress, and corrections to house plans including electrical needs?
June 6
Friday

Friday
June 7
Saturday - Picked up larger architectural floor plans, electrical plans, and elevations. None of the changes we discussed were on the plans... Guess I need to talk to the architect about that.
June 8 Sunday


June 9
Monday
Ryan and another fellow came by at set out the new concrete blocks for someone else to come and work on, at some time in the near future. I asked if they were going to put the rebarb thru and vibrate the concrete down, and he commented that I knew a lot about the process. He said yes, someone else would be doing that, but that they would do it that way. They left and came back later, and do some more domolition of the south side concrete walls.
June 10
Tuesday
Arron & Ryan are here, and Ryan is going to town on the concrete wall, removing the old bricks neatly so the new ones will be structurally sound. Looks like he's really doing a great job.
Wednesday
June 11
Wednesday
Nothing happened building wise. I need to book an apt. with the architect to make corrections asap. Too busy today and tomorrow I think.
June 12
Thursday

Nothing
June 13
Friday
Nothing except I met Jay at the Architect's office to go over the uncorrected drawings so he could furnish us with corrected drawings and I could feel we were all going to be on the same page. Jay said he didn't have a lof of masonry work so had to farm it out, but the masons were working on a bigger job, and would start our job later today, or if not, the head mason assured me it would start TOMORROW.
June 14
Saturday.

Nothing. Glad we didn't cancel our company coming over swimming because the masons didn't show up.
June 15
Sunday
Sunday - I sent Jay an email about 'DRY ICE BLASTING" which could remove the soot from the brick wall I think.
June 16
Masons didin't show up again. I told Jay he should start looking for somebody else to do that job and he said he was one step ahead, and already had someone lined up for the next day at 11 am to come look at the job.Ryan came over and used a pressure washer and washed the sooty brick wall. When painted, I think it will probably be good enough. Jay said he was the premier user of the dry ice blasting technology, but that he didn't think it would be necessary on our brick wall because we'd be painting it anyway.
June 17
Tuesday
The masons showed up to rebuild the half lof the brick walls that were waiting for over a week. I thought it looked like an ok job, but my friend Torres said it looked sloppy to him. He said he thought it would be ok.
June 18
Wednesday
Paul Price worked on creating forms for the door to the basement. He used the pressure treated wood left over from the demolition removed from the floor of the closet area and bath floor joists, that I'd asked to have saved. It was a shame to see that pressure treated wood used for that, but I did tell him it was ok with me.

I had a very interesting conversation with Jay, about the rebar in the brick wall. I told him I say some on each corner, but only one piece ssticking out of the center of the south wall. We'd discussed the specs calling for rebar every 37" ... Jay informed me that the basement was not built to code before, with no rebar in the concrete which had been poured every few feet. I told him our insurance covered bringing the house into code compliance and he said not in this case, because it didn't meet code before and tkherefore, the city would not require it, so insurance wouldn't pay for that.

I asked how much extra it would cost if we paid for it to be built to code. He said he had NO IDEA, he'd have to pour it before he'd know how much it would cost in extra cement, and rebar. I said after all these years in the business, you can't give me ANY IDEA til after you finsihed the job. No he said, Ms. Abbott. I do hate it that he always calls me ms abbott. When he does I call him Mr. White.

I said well maybe I should have another cement person to come and give me a price on how much they would charge to do it. He said I could not do that, because this was his project, and he was to do everything on the project. I said what didi he care, as long as he got his 20% for the overhead and his profit. He said he had to make at leaslt 40% profit to stay in business. I said thats not what I understood our insurance deal was. He said he made up the extra 20% in profits on line items.
June 19
Thursday
Jay ordered 300 feet of rebar and Alan and Ryan put rebar everywhere I could see, in the concrete block walls...Ryan put poured concrete slump into the forms Paul made. I realized that no plumbing was on the plans for the North wall water spiggot, and the dog washing station and Allen told me to draw them onto the permit drawing so the future workers can see them. I realized that the current drawings were uncorrected and asked how workers could start without correct drawings. He said they'd been oked by the building code inspector or else they wouldn't be in that box. Yet they had the bay wall on the back, which Jay said failed the code.
June 20 Friday
Ryan and Allen worked on preparing the cement block walls putting rebar in them where possible. Unfortunately, they didn't attach them at the footer, which would have been proper I believe, but the rebar thru the top of the wall is the best they can do now that the blocks had been replaced alreadly.

I booked a 2pm appointment to discuss the plans with the architect by myself. After a week, he had not done anything, so I figured this was an good opportunity do get them done right. Though the $75 I spent hiring his attention for an hour wasn't that much, and I didn't feel he offered any insight on how the building could be improved, I did get some answers such as that the wind code info was false on the form copy I had and that was very puzzling...

He said he didn't understand what Jay was talking about, that the bay wall was not approved. He said he knew of many other instances where such canterlevering was approved.

He said this was his first job with Jay, and apparenlty his former architect has left abruptly, leaving Jay in a fix.


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We had Superior Mechanical, Barrineau, and Bensons all here today to help us figure out the best solution for our HVAC. Superior never got back to me yet.
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Charles Locke from Lockes and Lennox came by to discuss our ac needs. He felt we should go with a large system with the zone system for each side of the house. The filters only needed to be change annually or more with animals, but lordy they were $250 each! That could be a sticking point.
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Wed
Don't recall any work being done today by Paul Davis, though at lunch time he sent a subcontractor from Chiefland, FL to discuss using his service to install 2 systems.
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Thur
Talked with Tom of Design House about the errors regarding wind loads and he said I should call the Allen Nobles Engineering and ask why the max overhang was listed as 2'. I also told him I didn't see any specs on the overhang on the back of the house, and he said he had it as 1 foot, but he would change it to the 4 to match most of the rest of the house. I think it may have been 5' but don't have that info handy to prove whether it was 4 or 5.

Bill Adams of the Allen Nobles engineering company looked at the paperwork, and said he recalculated the numbers and the hurricane clips should be H11 (or H14 would be better) and that he would inform the builder.

Waiver of Liens is something we may need to get ourselves.... Gotta check on that.
Friday
27
Had a long conversation with Alesx Arbona who is our home inspector for the city, and he is so helpful and explains everything in great detail.  He said we should get the proper permissions permit revision before proceeding to wing it and hope for the best so we wont' be disssapointed to have it done improperly. Ronnie Spooner is  his boss and I want to tell Mr. Spooner what a fine employee I think Alelx Arbona is as far as the job he's doing for us.

509.7420 Jay's no.
933-6647 Alex Arbona  City Code Inspector (Ronnie Spooner is his boss)

Verify Jay got my email.
Make sure about  email details on permit revisiion approval
ask about waiver of liens
Glass removal and smoothing of underhouse dirt

Waiver of Liens, Jay said Certified Building Contractor is the same thing as a General Contractor. We'll need a letter of confirmation from USAA.

4:28pm Jay called to let me know he had Tom make up 4 sets of plans, I asked if one was sto put in the permit box, and he said no that tom would have to revise the plan again to accomodate the overhanging roof, and he wasn't going to submit it for review until Tom had revised it to work with the overhangs. But in the meantime he had the extra sets of plans to give to potential bidders for the subcontract work. I asked about the glass and the leveling of the dirt underneath the house and he said he'd have osmeone out here on Monday to do that. I asked about the light/water? leak in the portico by the pool. He said when the framers start work they would remove the underside paneling so we could inspect and take care of any potential problems.

He also faxed glenn some prices for ac units from the man from Chiefland which Glenn email to me.



























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Monday - June 2, 2008

Dear Jay and Glenn,

I was out of town shooting a wedding in Pensacola when you (Jay) returned my call.

The reason I called was that two guys came to the house Friday, to scope out the situation, to make a bid on doing the electrical work for the rebuild, when I don't think we've discussed our needs as much as we need too, before we get bids. Perhaps email is a convenient way for us to talk about these things, or at least in addition to meeting in person too with drawings in hand.

First we'll need to get together and decide where the plugs, appliance and lighting outlets need to be. We are always short on electric wall plug outlets, and we need them aprox. every 5 or 6 feet or more, in the bedrooms, bathroom and closet...

I love the kind in the floor, too, of course with an adequate cover. Also we'll need to take into consideration the electrical needs for the heated floor (in the bathroom and my bedroom) and I want to make sure we get the electric tankless water heater. Glenn said he wants a gas, because its been touted as better, but not in our case, as we're heavily invested in electric appliances otherwise, I'm afraid of fire hazards with gas, and we'll be manufacturing our own electricity, but not our own gas, so I'm researching what we'll need for the electric.

Coincidentally I just talked with a soon to be solar energy panel installer in Pensacola who said he has the electric tankless water heater, and it was fantastic.... and I've called around and believe we'll need to upgrade our electrical system, so Keith Lawson Plumbing, who installs the Bosch brand is having Foy electrical service come check out what we'll need to do, i.e.,  if we need to upgrade our electrical service.

ALSO, IMPORTANT, I want COVE Lighting in the bathroom (3 sides), closet (open to discussion on how many sides) and in my room (one on each wall at the ceiling), and in my room, I want it so all 4 sides can independently be turned on or off.... as well as the fan with a globe lighting. Do you think that would be any problem with a sloped ceiling? I think Glenn should have the same, but he's not clear on that yet Here is the look. The cove can be shallow, it doesn't have to be lush and expensive looking but I want the finished product to be economical and practical. And the toe lights below the bathroom sink cabinets also, will need electrical considerations.
Large Bathroom Cove

i guess we need to have a discussion and together draw a diagram to make sure we don't have any confusion there. You had mentioned Thursday you'd possibly be available to meet.

We'll have the solar energy panels also to consider, which may or may not factor in, which we're expecting Simpler Solar Systems to install for us, but we may get a better bid by the time we are ready. They have an excellent track record for getting the huge rebates, or at least that's my impression plus lots of experience with installation.

Unfortunately probably we've missed the deadline to get the solar panel rebate this year I suspect. There is only $3.5 million state mandated budget left of the 10 million allocated this year I heard, but we should be able to get the rebate within the next year or two.


Because I know you have so many jobs going on at once, it may be easier to forget the details of any one job, and it seems important to me that we get a corrected architectural drawings BEFORE we begin construction ... especially before we start ordering items for installation. We wouldn't want to order 6' doors if we wanted 8' for instance... or vice versa.

Also you said you were going to give us a list of manufacturers which you thought would be in our price range for cabinetry and sinks etc. Perhaps sending them by email would be easiest.

Also, are we supposed to or can we get an emailed itemized list of what the budget expense charges are for the various accomplishments on a schedule, like weekly or once a month as they are occurring?

Because so many of my friends are asking about the progress, I plan to create a blog to document the rebuilding on a daily basis. I'm excited about the possibilities.

Mona
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